Talk:Loot

Found the original turbine article that ACvault copied its info from:
 * http://ac.turbinegames.com/index.php?page_id=217
 * earliest web archive
 * newest web archive

--An Adventurer 19:17, 27 October 2008 (CDT)

Are you sure? I know when turbine redid the loot system there were only 6 tiers. But at that time there were also only up to 325 wield melees and such. I thought that they added tier 7 at a later point. At the time of the first loot redistribution there was even talk of adding another tier, with wield reqs similar to what we have not (see 2nd ACvault link). This is the first I have heard of that there was not a tier 7, and I and others have been throwing around the tier 8 term a lot without being corrected about it. --An Adventurer 19:23, 14 October 2008 (CDT)

There are only 7 loot tiers, not 8. Previous to the 100th patch, there were only 6 loot tiers. The 100th patch introduced only 1 loot tier -- no work was done to change any of the existing tiers. It's called "tier 8" mostly because of the confusion between "tier 7" and "level 8 spells."

There are a couple of ways to easily distinguish between tier 5 and 6 without looking at the trophies. 1) Tier 5 is ws 3-9, while Tier 6 is ws 4-10. (Of course, you can get Tier 5 confused which Tier 6 Quality, which is 4-8, but items of ws 9 with no items of ws 10 dispels that quickly.)  2) Red garnet, jet, and black garnet cannot appear in Tier 6. There are a few other gems that don't, but those are the ones most people look for first.

--Afura Mann 19:14, 14 October 2008 (CDT)

The info cards look good, but it makes it harder to compare the stats, so I prefer the second one where all the information is together. That makes it very easy to compare the stats at a glance. Keeping all of the images close together also makes them easier to compare.

I'd also like to see minimum loot-generated burden of the pieces. Maybe separate the Covenant shield from the rest, like you have for the armor, since each wield requirement has different maximums.

--Widgeon 05:33, 10 September 2008 (CDT)

I'd like some feedback on the loot article so far. Specifically, the armor section. What do you think of the little 'info card' look I made? Should we keep the armor section like this, or redesign it in a way so that all the info is contained in a table (or several, shields/armor/etc could all be separate as they are now) and the small pictures could be below the table(s) or not included at all? I've made an example in the Sandbox with shields in both formats.

Also, do you think it looks better now with all the tables aligned left instead of centered?

--An Adventurer 19:48, 8 September 2008 (CDT)

The first one was from a thread post by Srand on turbine's forums that is no longer available (don't you hate how forums trash old threads after a while). The second one is probably still there, when they redid the site a few weeks ago they did it in a way that broke all old links (very frustrating), though a lot of the content is still there, just has a different index (if you strip all the cruft). I may or may do a new index, the old one took a long time to do and I just wish I had archived the information locally, which I had plans to but they made no announcements just turned off the old site abrubtly. --Tlosk 19:04, 8 September 2008 (CDT)

I would like to get screenshots of the missing armor types up as well, but I lack the matching sets. If anyone is interested in putting up some pictures, all images are named  Armor Small.jpg. They are 100x150px. They were taken inside any meeting hall, standing flat against the stone wall to the right of the upper throne (right if you are sitting in it) zoomed out slightly with the side window open. Then I simply used photoshop to scale the picture down by percentages until the picture of the armor fit within the 100x150 small picture.

I would like to have the Amuli/Celdon/Koujia all be greater shadow armor, preferably the 30+ version of the armor, because the silver/brown colored armor is very neutral. Unfortunately, I do not own any shadow armor, and do not want to spend the time/scints to gather armor I'll use for just 1 picture. As for the Lorica/Nariyid, any shot of matching armor would be great.

Information regarding the loot system, although dated, can be found on ACVault:
 * ACVault - Loot part 1
 * ACVault - Loot part 2

I believe these two articles are direct copy+pastes from a turbine article, but I have not yet located the offical source.

More Links:
 * Maggies - Dev comments on loot changes - Feb 2004 - The Madness of Men
 * Maggies - Treasure in AC - March 2004 -  Across the Vast Divide

--An Adventurer 09:31, 26 August 2008 (CDT)