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{{RightToC}}For information on the topic of continuity in fiction, continuity errors, and retroactive continuity (retcon), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_(fiction) wikipedia - Continuity (fiction)] |
{{RightToC}}For information on the topic of continuity in fiction, continuity errors, and retroactive continuity (retcon), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_(fiction) wikipedia - Continuity (fiction)] |
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| + | The following pages attempt to document various errors in continuity, and if possible, draw a reasonable conclusion on what can be considered "canon". |
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| − | == Major issues in Continuity == |
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| − | A major issue in continuity is one which spans several pieces and/or is an issue in a key aspect of the story. |
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| − | * Basic Back-story |
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| − | * [[Continuity/Auberean, Ispar, and Time|Auberean, Ispar, and Time]] |
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| + | == General == |
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| − | == Minor issues in Continuity == |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Beta and Early Development|Beta and Early Development]] |
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| − | A minor issue in continuity is one which only appears in one or two pieces. |
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| − | * [[Continuity/ |
+ | * [[Continuity/In-Game Calendar|In-Game Calendar]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
| − | * [[Continuity/Rytheran's Journal|Rytheran's Journal]] |
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| + | == Basic Backstory == |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Basic Backstory|Basic Backstory]] (this will be split up into multiple articles) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Asheron and the Olthoi Invasion|Asheron and the Olthoi Invasion]] (WIP) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Lifestones|Lifestones]] (WIP) |
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| + | == Auberean Timeline and Events == |
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| + | === Distant Past === |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Ages of the Empyrean Versus The History of Auberean|Ages of the Empyrean Versus The History of Auberean]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Sendings of Darkness|Sendings of Darkness]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| + | === Recent Past === |
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| − | <center><font color=red>The material below is left here temporarily, and will later be moved to the pages above.</font></center> |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Aluvian Settlement on Dereth|Aluvian Settlement on Dereth]] (WIP) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Ancient Lugian Fortress|Ancient Lugian Fortress]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Bandit and Neydisa Castles|Bandit and Neydisa Castles]] (WIP) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Gharu'ndim Settlement on Dereth|Gharu'ndim Settlement on Dereth]] (WIP) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Sho Settlement on Dereth|Sho Settlement on Dereth]] (WIP) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Siege of Holtburg and Founding of Rithwic|Siege of Holtburg and Founding of Rithwic]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Tumerok History on Dereth|Tumerok History on Dereth]] (WIP) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Undead|Undead]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| + | === Current === |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Tanada House of Earth|Tanada House of Earth]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Halaetan Islands|Halaetan Islands]] (WIP) |
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+ | == Ispar Timeline and Events == |
| + | * [[Continuity/Timeline of Ispar|Timeline of Ispar]] - continuity regarding how the timeline of Ispar evolved. (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| − | The basic back story of AC involves the events of the [[Olthoi]] invasion of [[Auberean]], [[Asheron Realaidain|Asheron]]'s involvement, [[The Sundering]], and the conditions which summoned [[Isparian]]s to [[Dereth]]. This story has been told many times, and there is often inconsistency with these tales. |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Roulean Calendar and Portal Years|Roulean Calendar and Portal Years]] - continuity regarding the conversion between the Roulean calendar of Ispar and the Portal Year calendar of Dereth. (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| − | <br><br>According to a [[Stormwaltz Quotes|Stormwaltz quote]], in the original lore outline documents the Yalaini development of portalspace amounted to three lines: Asheron uses portal magic to trap BZ, Asheron creates a stable portal, Asheron brings in the bugs.<ref name=SQOnHarluneAndStoryline>2002/03 [[Stormwaltz Quotes]] - [http://ac.warcry.com/db/text/301 On Harlune and the Storyline]</ref> The original version was that Asheron was surprised and overwhelmed by the Olthoi and was unable to close the portal to their world before thousands of Olthoi had already entered Auberean.<ref name=SQOnHarluneAndStoryline/> This version of the story is retold with minor variations in the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75iwpsH5MPA original intro video], the [[Asheron's Call Manual|original manual]], the [[Asheron's Call Historical Archive|Historical Archive]], the [[Asheron's Call: Sybex Official Strategies and Secrets|Sybex strategy guide]], and the [[Asheron's Call Dark Majesty Manual|AC:DM manual]]. |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Aluvian History|Aluvian History]] - continuity specifically as it relates to the Aluvian people. (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| − | <br><br>During the [[A Time of Chaos]] story arc the story was changed significantly. Players gained access to [[Knorr]], where the Yalaini launched their exploration missions to other worlds. Inside, many texts written by Asheron were discovered. With these texts and others, the story of the Olthoi invasion was changed. It was not a magical experiment gone awry or accident on Asheron's part that caused the invasion - and his discovery of portal magic is only partially to blame, in that it enabled the exploration of other worlds. Instead, it was [[Gaerlan]] who inadvertently left a portal link to the Olthoi homeworld open. And it was Emperor [[Kellin II]] who demanded that more Olthoi specimen be brought to Knorr, including the Olthoi Queen. With the Queen on Auberean, the lesser Olthoi began to obey her will again, and this is what caused Knorr to fall, and eventually, all of Auberean. The [[Asheron's Call Throne of Destiny Manual|AC:ToD manual]] reflected this story change with its (incredibly brief) lore summary, which placed the blame of the Olthoi invasion on Gaerlan. |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Gharu'ndim History|Gharu'ndim History]] - continuity specifically as it relates to the Gharu'ndim people. (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| − | <br><br>Later, [[The Knorr Quiddity Seed]] quest was added. This quest involves entering dream realms and defending Asheron's memories from Aerbax. It is an in-game retelling of the first scene of the original intro video, with Asheron and his disciples. However, this retelling has many errors. First, it takes place at the Knorr Lyceum. However, the events in the video are said to take place somewhere on Dereth, as it was the final stronghold of the Yalaini people, where Knorr would be the heart of the Olthoi's territory. Second, in the video, the building crumbles to pieces, yet it is in perfect condition when we visit it in the present day. While an interesting quest, it either entirely changes the history, or (more likely) is not accurate at all. |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Sho History|Sho History]] - continuity specifically as it relates to the Sho people. (WIP) |
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| − | <br><br><big><b>Conclusion</b></big> |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Viamontian History|Viamontian History]] - continuity specifically as it relates to the Viamontian people. (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| − | <br><br><b>Olthoi Invasion</b>- The Olthoi arc retcon is considered the correct lore. Asheron was not directly responsible for the Olthoi invasion, it was Gaerlan and the Emperor. |
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| − | <br><br><b>Sundering</b> - The truth about The Sundering remains a mystery. In all accounts, it did cause a disturbance in the fabric of Portal Space. But whether or not the Sundering caused portals to begin to appear on other worlds is up for debate. |
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| − | <br><br>The current Yalain Age is Moriqui Eipoth (ME), and was declared by Asheron after he sent his people away. According to information in the [[AC:DM CD Lore/Ages of the Empyrean|Ages of the Empyrean]] lore document included on the AC:DM CD, the date that Isparians first arrived on Dereth was ME 564<ref name=AgesOfTheEmpyrean>2001/11 [[Dark Majesty]] - [[AC:DM CD Lore/Ages of the Empyrean|Ages of the Empyrean]]</ref>. So the notion that The Sundering instantly caused portals to appear on Ispar is not correct, it took 564 years. |
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| − | <br><br>According to the [[AC:DM CD Lore]], the Virindi arrived on Dereth before any other race, and they fought Asheron over something and lost.<ref name=AgesOfTheEmpyrean/><ref name=AgesOfTheEmpyrean>2001/11 [[Dark Majesty]] - [[AC:DM_CD_Lore/Bestiary/Derethian_Bestiary#Virindi|Bestiary: Virindi]]</ref> The fact that the Virindi are explicitly stated to be the first to arrive could imply a wide range of things. Perhaps they intentionally or unintentionally disrupted portal space. Or perhaps, when they fought Asheron the battle weakened the wizard and some protection he placed on the currents of portal space fell. Whatever the case, it seems unlikely that the Sundering is the true cause, but the truth may never be revealed. |
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| + | == People == |
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| − | == Harlune and the Timeline == |
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| − | The basic story for Harlune is that when he was visiting Ispar with other Empyreans as explorers/researchers, he saw what was going on in Aluvia with Alfrega, and decided to stay behind during the next trip to Ispar.<ref>2003/05 [[Discoveries]] - [[Letter to Asheron]]</ref> He did so, and helped free Aluvia from Viamontian rule.<ref name=TheReignOfAlfrega>1999/11 [[Release]] - [[The Reign of Alfrega]]</ref> Harlune was not swept away into portal space with the rest of the Yalaini when Asheron cast the Sundering spell because he was still on Ispar. When portals to Dereth from Ispar began to appear, he returned and went to live in the mite maze. There are five important events: |
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| − | # The invasion of Aluvia |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Kellin I and Caerlin I|Kellin I and Caerlin I]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| − | #: This is said to occur on 804 RC.<ref name=TheReignOfAlfrega/> |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Lilitha|Lilitha]] (WIP) |
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| − | # The first mention of Harlune on Ispar during the reign of Alfrega. |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Lord Cambarth and Mount Lethe|Lord Cambarth and Mount Lethe]] (WIP) |
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| − | #: This happens during leafcull of 860 RC.<ref name=TheReignOfAlfrega/> |
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| − | # The Olthoi arrival on Auberean. |
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| − | #: This happens on HE 459.<ref name=AgesOfTheEmpyrean/> |
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| − | # Asheron Casting the Sundering. |
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| − | #: This happens at HE 647. <ref name=AgesOfTheEmpyrean/> |
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| − | # The beginning of AC, when mass amounts of Isparians came to Dereth. |
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| − | #: This is the beginning of the Portal Year calendar, 0 PY.<ref name=AgesOfTheEmpyrean/> |
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| + | == Terminology == |
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| − | From the Ages of the Empyrean, we are told that 0 PY = 1276 RC = ME 579.<ref name=AgesOfTheEmpyrean/> ME 579 would be equal to HE 1226, if the Third Age of Lore had continued on. Converting the dates into comparable forms, we get the following: |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Dericost versus Dericostian|Dericost versus Dericostian]] (WIP) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Empyrean as a Term|Empyrean as a Term]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Garondish versus Gharu'ndim|Garondish versus Gharu'ndim]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Gearknight versus Gear Knight|Gearknight versus Gear Knight]] (WIP) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Habrean versus Haebraen versus Haebran versus Haebrean versus Haebrous|Habrean versus Haebraen versus Haebran versus Haebrean versus Haebrous]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Milantan versus Milantane versus Milantean versus Milantos|Milantan versus Milantane versus Milantean versus Milantos]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Viamont versus Viamonter versus Viamontian|Viamont versus Viamonter versus Viamontian]] (complete, needs cleanup/restructure) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Virindi versus Virin'di|Virindi versus Virin'di]] (WIP) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Yalain versus Yalaini|Yalain versus Yalaini]] (WIP) |
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| + | * [[Continuity/Names of Places and Races|Names of Places and Races]] (old) |
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| + | {{Lore}} |
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| − | # The invasion of Aluvia |
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| − | #: 804 RC |
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| − | #: -472 PY |
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| − | #: HE 854 |
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| − | # The first mention of Harlune on Ispar during the reign of Alfrega. |
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| − | #: 860 RC |
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| − | #: -416 PY |
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| − | #: HE 910 |
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| − | # The Olthoi arrival on Auberean. |
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| − | #: 509 RC |
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| − | #: -767 PY |
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| − | #: HE 459 |
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| − | # Asheron Casting the Sundering. |
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| − | #: 697 RC |
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| − | #: -579 PY |
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| − | #: HE 647 |
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| − | # The beginning of AC, when mass amounts of Isparians came to Dereth. |
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| − | #: 1276 RC |
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| − | #: 0 PY |
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| − | #: HE 1226 |
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| − | Using only official dates and conversions, the basic back-story of Harlune is not possible. He would have been present on Auberean for the invasion of the Olthoi, at which point all exploration missions would presumably have been canceled. He would also have been present on Auberean for the Sundering, which would have placed him in stasis in Portal Space with the rest of his people. |
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| − | <br><br>There is no evidence of or reason for a conspiracy or cover-up, so it is unlikely the dates were intentionally created to contradict Harlune's history. The most likely explanation is that at the time when Harlune and the Reign of Alfrega were created, in beta<ref>2002/03 [[Stormwaltz Quotes]] - [http://ac.warcry.com/db/text/299 On Aluvia and Viamont]</ref><ref>2002/03 [[Stormwaltz Quotes]] - [http://ac.warcry.com/db/text/301 On Harlune and the Storyline]</ref>, the timeline was not yet set in stone, and there was likely no conversion for Roulean Calendar Years and Portal Years. |
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| − | <br><br>While there is little that could be done to correct this situation other than outright changing the dates (which would then interfere with numerous other dates and events in the timeline), Harlune's back-story could probably safely be considered canonical, even if the dates do not work out. |
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| − | == References == |
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| − | <references/> |
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[[Category:Lore]] |
[[Category:Lore]] |
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Revision as of 00:04, 19 January 2020
For information on the topic of continuity in fiction, continuity errors, and retroactive continuity (retcon), see wikipedia - Continuity (fiction)
The following pages attempt to document various errors in continuity, and if possible, draw a reasonable conclusion on what can be considered "canon".
General
- Beta and Early Development
- In-Game Calendar (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
Basic Backstory
- Basic Backstory (this will be split up into multiple articles)
- Asheron and the Olthoi Invasion (WIP)
- The Sundering and Portals to Dereth (WIP)
- Olthoi Rebellion (WIP)
- Lifestones (WIP)
Auberean Timeline and Events
Distant Past
- Ages of the Empyrean Versus The History of Auberean (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Sendings of Darkness (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
Recent Past
- Aluvian Settlement on Dereth (WIP)
- Ancient Lugian Fortress (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Bandit and Neydisa Castles (WIP)
- Gharu'ndim Settlement on Dereth (WIP)
- Sho Settlement on Dereth (WIP)
- Siege of Holtburg and Founding of Rithwic (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Tumerok History on Dereth (WIP)
- Undead (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
Current
- Rytheran and the Graveyard (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Tanada House of Earth (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Halaetan Islands (WIP)
Ispar Timeline and Events
- Timeline of Ispar - continuity regarding how the timeline of Ispar evolved. (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Roulean Calendar and Portal Years - continuity regarding the conversion between the Roulean calendar of Ispar and the Portal Year calendar of Dereth. (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Aluvian History - continuity specifically as it relates to the Aluvian people. (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Gharu'ndim History - continuity specifically as it relates to the Gharu'ndim people. (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Sho History - continuity specifically as it relates to the Sho people. (WIP)
- Viamontian History - continuity specifically as it relates to the Viamontian people. (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
People
- Elysa, Thorsten, and Borelean (WIP)
- Harlune (WIP)
- Kellin I and Caerlin I (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Lilitha (WIP)
- Lord Cambarth and Mount Lethe (WIP)
Terminology
- Dericost versus Dericostian (WIP)
- Empyrean as a Term (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Garondish versus Gharu'ndim (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Gearknight versus Gear Knight (WIP)
- Habrean versus Haebraen versus Haebran versus Haebrean versus Haebrous (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Milantan versus Milantane versus Milantean versus Milantos (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Viamont versus Viamonter versus Viamontian (complete, needs cleanup/restructure)
- Virindi versus Virin'di (WIP)
- Yalain versus Yalaini (WIP)
- Names of Places and Races (old)